Comments on: Orthodox Conversion: A Biblical Perspective http://jerusalemcouncil.org/halacha/giyur/orthodox-conversion-a-biblical-perspective/ A Global Association of Orthodox Jewish Believers in Messiah Yeshua Fri, 01 Jul 2011 03:30:37 +0300 hourly 1 By: lisa http://jerusalemcouncil.org/halacha/giyur/orthodox-conversion-a-biblical-perspective/#comment-358 lisa Sun, 28 Nov 2010 02:46:28 +0000 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/?p=1147#comment-358 wow! You have given me a true insight to my own idenity crises. I am new to the Hebrew Roots movement......but not new to the idea of seeking a closer relationship with HaShem. I beleive in Messiah Yeshua and i know that throuh him I have salvation.....But I feel that keeping the commandments and study of the Torah is a must. I have resently been told that understanding the word from a Herbrew mind is the only way to truely understand the full meaning of scripture. How do I do this? I am one of those people that learn by doing....action. To understand is to live it. I am a Ruth without a Naomi. I have the willingness to accept the people, country, land, and G-d, but I need someone to teach me, to show me. I have not found a place here in Biloxi, Mississippi and when I return home to New Mexico I am not sure of finding anything there ether. Not a community of Jewish beleivers. Only through searching deligently have I found this web site. One that answers questions like this on convertion, That has a real sence of meeting the need to help one understand a new way of obbediance. wow!
You have given me a true insight to my own idenity crises.
I am new to the Hebrew Roots movement……but not new to the idea of seeking a closer relationship with HaShem. I beleive in Messiah Yeshua and i know that throuh him I have salvation…..But I feel that keeping the commandments and study of the Torah is a must. I have resently been told that understanding the word from a Herbrew mind is the only way to truely understand the full meaning of scripture.
How do I do this? I am one of those people that learn by doing….action.
To understand is to live it. I am a Ruth without a Naomi. I have the willingness to accept the people, country, land, and G-d, but I need someone to teach me, to show me.
I have not found a place here in Biloxi, Mississippi and when I return home to New Mexico I am not sure of finding anything there ether. Not a community of Jewish beleivers. Only through searching deligently have I found this web site. One that answers questions like this on convertion, That has a real sence of meeting the need to help one understand a new way of obbediance.

]]> By: WILLARDO http://jerusalemcouncil.org/halacha/giyur/orthodox-conversion-a-biblical-perspective/#comment-357 WILLARDO Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:25:35 +0000 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/?p=1147#comment-357 PERFECT!! because you've put into words the "identity "issue.We as Jews want to identify as Jews and will go to outrageous lengths to do so!! But, I believe you're right:we've put identity before Messiah! How could we ever be satisfied living a secret belief in Yesuah! I've seen families torn apart over this:I've seen divorces by the dozen over the "hiding Yeshua "issue.I've seen people hurt and wounded in their faith because after the event, they felt shame for having hidden their "treasure".The thing that makes living worthwhile......... I have a question: Are the friendships that these converts make in the synagogue real ..if their born in lies... Don't do it...even if believing in Messiah is a lonely road!! Keep the faith..openly...and sooner or later you will come across someone who believes like you, and is a real fellow Jew...It took me 4 years to stumble across someone...but I didn't compromise...and "lonely" is just the tip of the iceberg!!!! COURAGE PERFECT!!
because you’ve put into words the “identity “issue.We as Jews want to identify as Jews and will go to outrageous lengths to do so!! But, I believe you’re right:we’ve put identity before Messiah! How could we ever be satisfied living a secret belief in Yesuah!
I’ve seen families torn apart over this:I’ve seen divorces by the dozen over the “hiding Yeshua “issue.I’ve seen people hurt and wounded in their faith because after the event, they felt shame for having hidden their “treasure”.The thing that makes living worthwhile………
I have a question: Are the friendships that these converts make in the synagogue real ..if their born in lies…
Don’t do it…even if believing in Messiah is a lonely road!! Keep the faith..openly…and sooner or later you will come across someone who believes like you, and is a real fellow Jew…It took me 4 years to stumble across someone…but I didn’t compromise…and “lonely” is just the tip of the iceberg!!!!
COURAGE

]]> By: Jeff Ashman http://jerusalemcouncil.org/halacha/giyur/orthodox-conversion-a-biblical-perspective/#comment-356 Jeff Ashman Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:55:17 +0000 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/?p=1147#comment-356 B"H Thank you! This is a well thought out and laid out discussion, very accurately shows the trap that one walks into in trying to seek such a conversion in such a manner. Ultimately, it is HaShem, blessed is He, who accepts us or rejects us, and it is our relationship with Him through Yeshua Moschienu that grafts us into the community of Israel. A piece of paper gained through deceit won't do it, and in the quest of gaining it all, we lose everything. Again, thank you, and Shalom! Jeff B”H Thank you! This is a well thought out and laid out discussion, very accurately shows the trap that one walks into in trying to seek such a conversion in such a manner. Ultimately, it is HaShem, blessed is He, who accepts us or rejects us, and it is our relationship with Him through Yeshua Moschienu that grafts us into the community of Israel. A piece of paper gained through deceit won’t do it, and in the quest of gaining it all, we lose everything. Again, thank you, and Shalom! Jeff

]]> By: Stephanie Hilliard http://jerusalemcouncil.org/halacha/giyur/orthodox-conversion-a-biblical-perspective/#comment-355 Stephanie Hilliard Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:44:40 +0000 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/?p=1147#comment-355 Thank you SO much for this article. Many of us who are not Jewish but are believers in Messiah and want to keep Torah are caught in this very situation. We don't feel like we are truly part of the community and no amount of reminding ourselves that we are grafted in helps. You still feel like the kid left out of the party, even though our identity should be found in Messiah! And we know that we cannot honorably convert through Orthodox Judaism. It leaves us stuck, somewhere in between. We are part of Messiah, but not really part of community. It gets very lonely. Thank you SO much for this article. Many of us who are not Jewish but are believers in Messiah and want to keep Torah are caught in this very situation. We don’t feel like we are truly part of the community and no amount of reminding ourselves that we are grafted in helps. You still feel like the kid left out of the party, even though our identity should be found in Messiah! And we know that we cannot honorably convert through Orthodox Judaism.

It leaves us stuck, somewhere in between. We are part of Messiah, but not really part of community. It gets very lonely.

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