Comments on: The Sacred Name of G-d http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/apologetics/the-sacred-name-of-god/ A Global Association of Orthodox Jewish Believers in Messiah Yeshua Fri, 01 Jul 2011 03:30:37 +0300 hourly 1 By: Israel http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/apologetics/the-sacred-name-of-god/#comment-155 Israel Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:49:41 +0000 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/?p=63#comment-155 Someone on another forum asked this question, and I thought I'd post it here for your input: Where in scripture are we justified in using the sacred name of G-d (no matter what version one may happen to ascribe to at the moment) at the cost of turning away a potential follower of Messiah Yeshua? Someone on another forum asked this question, and I thought I’d post it here for your input:

Where in scripture are we justified in using the sacred name of G-d (no matter what version one may happen to ascribe to at the moment) at the cost of turning away a potential follower of Messiah Yeshua?

]]> By: Rods Bobavich http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/apologetics/the-sacred-name-of-god/#comment-154 Rods Bobavich Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:16:17 +0000 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/?p=63#comment-154 I also follow the Orthodox tradition of using "HaShem" for a secular context and "Adonai" in prayer and religious settings. When spelling is necessary I use the common pronunciation "Yud-Keh-Vav-Keh" as a further buffer against making the Blessed Name to be anything other than Sacred and set apart. This follow the same convention of respect I use when addressing my own father. I seldom speak my father's name but use appropriate title instead: "Daddy" in private and "Father" in public. I've found that this stance doesn't offend and allies most closely with greater Jewry. By avoiding direct pronunciation of the Blessed Name I also obscure it from those who might seek to profane it. If they curse "Adonai" they are really cursing their own supposed deity since "Adonai" means "My Master". I wish to avoid coming close to causing sin by introducing the possibility of sin to those who are actively seeking sin. Those who turn to Righteousness will seek to worship Him in Spirit and Truth. They will learn His Name in time with proper respect. However, "profaning" must be understood as much more than simply mispronunciation or common utterance. Any time we do something contrary to His character we are profaning His Name by misrepresenting His Holiness. The notion that "profaning" is confined to pronunciation is as bogus as a notion that the mute are immune to foul speech. Actions speak louder than words. Likewise honor runs much deeper than mere pronunciation. I've seen more people turned away from the Joy of Righteousness over Sacred Name issues than I care to count. It is vitally important that we tread carefully in our position on this most holy matter. We can so easily become prideful and arrogant over knowing the "right way" to do something. To refuse to abide in reverence is to act in full rebellion. There is only one right way to show proper respect, that is through humility. So let us be humble as we encourage the world to glorify His Name in full Majesty and Holiness. In doing so we will find great blessing and peace. Shalom Uv'racha! ...Rods ;-) I also follow the Orthodox tradition of using “HaShem” for a secular context and “Adonai” in prayer and religious settings. When spelling is necessary I use the common pronunciation “Yud-Keh-Vav-Keh” as a further buffer against making the Blessed Name to be anything other than Sacred and set apart. This follow the same convention of respect I use when addressing my own father. I seldom speak my father’s name but use appropriate title instead: “Daddy” in private and “Father” in public.

I’ve found that this stance doesn’t offend and allies most closely with greater Jewry. By avoiding direct pronunciation of the Blessed Name I also obscure it from those who might seek to profane it. If they curse “Adonai” they are really cursing their own supposed deity since “Adonai” means “My Master”. I wish to avoid coming close to causing sin by introducing the possibility of sin to those who are actively seeking sin. Those who turn to Righteousness will seek to worship Him in Spirit and Truth. They will learn His Name in time with proper respect.

However, “profaning” must be understood as much more than simply mispronunciation or common utterance. Any time we do something contrary to His character we are profaning His Name by misrepresenting His Holiness. The notion that “profaning” is confined to pronunciation is as bogus as a notion that the mute are immune to foul speech. Actions speak louder than words. Likewise honor runs much deeper than mere pronunciation.

I’ve seen more people turned away from the Joy of Righteousness over Sacred Name issues than I care to count. It is vitally important that we tread carefully in our position on this most holy matter. We can so easily become prideful and arrogant over knowing the “right way” to do something. To refuse to abide in reverence is to act in full rebellion. There is only one right way to show proper respect, that is through humility. So let us be humble as we encourage the world to glorify His Name in full Majesty and Holiness. In doing so we will find great blessing and peace.

Shalom Uv’racha! …Rods ;-)

]]> By: Troy613 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/apologetics/the-sacred-name-of-god/#comment-153 Troy613 Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:20:32 +0000 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/?p=63#comment-153 When spoken aloud in public I use Master, Abba, Holy One, HASHEM blessed be He. However I do not speak The Name in front of people who I do not know lest they profane The Name in ignorance. I do not use it in common conversation. I may use it once in front of the brethren. In prayer I use it, but I keep with ADONAI. I believe that it is important that we know The NAME for it is written “Call upon HASHEM…”. So I agree with this Halacha. It also keeps shalom within the community since there are some who wish to argue about The Name. Even to the point of Rebbe Melekh ha’ Moshiach’s Name. Yeshua (Aramaic) Yehoshua (Hebrew). Shalom b’ Yeshua Rebenu. troy. When spoken aloud in public I use Master, Abba, Holy One, HASHEM blessed be He. However I do not speak The Name in front of people who I do not know lest they profane The Name in ignorance. I do not use it in common conversation. I may use it once in front of the brethren. In prayer I use it, but I keep with ADONAI. I believe that it is important that we know The NAME for it is written “Call upon HASHEM…”.
So I agree with this Halacha. It also keeps shalom within the community since there are some who wish to argue about The Name. Even to the point of Rebbe Melekh ha’ Moshiach’s Name. Yeshua (Aramaic) Yehoshua (Hebrew).

Shalom b’ Yeshua Rebenu.
troy.

]]> By: Israel http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/apologetics/the-sacred-name-of-god/#comment-152 Israel Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:19:37 +0000 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/?p=63#comment-152 Aveinu, Malcheinu (Our Father, Our King) - I use for direct prayer. I use “Adonai” when reading the Name aloud such as from scripture, or a siddur. I use “HaShem” when speaking or writing about G-d to others. This is not only considered acceptable, but also is encouraged. All of Judaism employs the same relative usage outlined here. Aveinu, Malcheinu (Our Father, Our King) – I use for direct prayer. I use “Adonai” when reading the Name aloud such as from scripture, or a siddur. I use “HaShem” when speaking or writing about G-d to others. This is not only considered acceptable, but also is encouraged. All of Judaism employs the same relative usage outlined here.

]]> By: MRavMac http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/apologetics/the-sacred-name-of-god/#comment-151 MRavMac Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:19:11 +0000 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/?p=63#comment-151 THE HOLY NAME: The reading or aloud mention of יהוה “Y-H-V-H” (Yod-Hey-Vav-Hey) or יי may be spoken as “the I AM” in English or as “Hashem” (the Name) in Hebrew. “Adonai”, “the Most High”, or “Avinu (Our Father)” may also be substituted as referring to the Holy Name. Messiah said to say “Avinu (Our Father).” As an organization, we encourage the use of “Adonai” in the Shema and other blessings, but in no way do we wish to invade the sanctity of personal, private prayers. How you talk to HaShem is your own business. THE HOLY NAME: The reading or aloud mention of יהוה “Y-H-V-H” (Yod-Hey-Vav-Hey) or יי may be spoken as “the I AM” in English or as “Hashem” (the Name) in Hebrew.

“Adonai”, “the Most High”, or “Avinu (Our Father)” may also be substituted as referring to the Holy Name. Messiah said to say “Avinu (Our Father).”

As an organization, we encourage the use of “Adonai” in the Shema and other blessings, but in no way do we wish to invade the sanctity of personal, private prayers. How you talk to HaShem is your own business.

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