Comments on: Messiah to Come Twice Like Isaac, Joseph, Moses, and David http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/apologetics/messiah-come-twice/ A Global Association of Orthodox Jewish Believers in Messiah Yeshua Fri, 01 Jul 2011 03:30:37 +0000 hourly 1 By: Avi ben Avraham http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/apologetics/messiah-come-twice/#comment-238 Avi ben Avraham Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:28 +0000 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/?p=256#comment-238 It is my understanding that Yeshua came to bring to Israel as well as all the World the pure unleavened Torah that comes from Heaven (John 6) not like the manna that the fathers ate but bread that is pure, undefiled and holy making those that consume it likewise holy. To believe in His Name is to follow Him fully in His Way (pure Torah) not in our way or any other way. His way is the only way to the Father and no one may approach the Father but through faith in Him. Also that He has died for our sins and been resurrected by the Father and now acts on our behalf as Kohen HaGadol in the Heavenly Temple. It is this foundational belief that causes me to reject all other teachings or interpretations and halacha that is not from my only source of truth and wisdom, the root of Jesse that I and all true believers are grafted into Yeshua haMashiach. Shalom, Avi It is my understanding that Yeshua came to bring to Israel as well as all the World the pure unleavened Torah that comes from Heaven (John 6) not like the manna that the fathers ate but bread that is pure, undefiled and holy making those that consume it likewise holy. To believe in His Name is to follow Him fully in His Way (pure Torah) not in our way or any other way. His way is the only way to the Father and no one may approach the Father but through faith in Him. Also that He has died for our sins and been resurrected by the Father and now acts on our behalf as Kohen HaGadol in the Heavenly Temple. It is this foundational belief that causes me to reject all other teachings or interpretations and halacha that is not from my only source of truth and wisdom, the root of Jesse that I and all true believers are grafted into Yeshua haMashiach.

Shalom,

Avi

]]> By: Israel Betzalel http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/apologetics/messiah-come-twice/#comment-237 Israel Betzalel Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:02:06 +0000 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/?p=256#comment-237 If no one is like Moses, Who then is the Messiah Who provides Redemption? Exodus 32 32 But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written." Moses offered himself up for the redemption of Israel. But Moses was not the Messiah, thus: 33 The LORD replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book. HaShem rejected Moses's offer to redeem Israel on his merit, and thus was proven to not be the Messiah, the Redeemer of Israel, because Moses was not righteous enough - even though Moses, on his own righteousness, spoke with HaShem face to face - a relationship with HaShem unlike anyone else! Yet he was rejected as the Redeemer of Israel! This standard then also eliminates anyone who is not like Moses, such as Isaac, though he was offered, was instead the one in place of the one "seen" - HaShem. This also eliminates King David, Abraham, and Jacob, who all also offered themselves up to redeem Israel on the merit of their own righteousness, and who too were rejected as the Messiah, falling short, seeing as how they too were not like Moses - whose own righteousness was also not enough to effect redemption and thus forgiveness for those who sinned and whose names will be blotted out of G-d's book, either! My question: if it is written "no one like Moses," (Deut 34:10) then who is it then that will be a "prophet like you from among your brothers" (Deut 18:18) who HaShem will raise up for us, and who we must listen to? Who then is more righteous than Moses? Only One who is perfect. Who is Israel's Redeemer, Who is the Messiah, Who is like Moses, but instead of rejecting him, G-d accepts as the Redeemer of Israel? If no one is like Moses, Who is it then whose merit, whose righteousness exceeds that of Moses and thus can redeem Israel? Whose death can make atonement and redemption for Israel and thus effect forgiveness so that that one may not be blotted out of G-d's book? Only One Who is perfect! Who then is Israel's Messiah, Savior, King, Who also is Israel's Redeemer, One like Moses, and is even the only One who dies the death of the righteous and makes atonement and redemption for all Israel so that they are not blotted out because of their sin? Who is it whose righteousness exceeds that of Moses, who is thus perfect, whose righteousness exceeds that of Moses that G-d accepts as the Redeemer of Israel? HaShem! As it is written, "HaShem my Rock and my Redeemer." (Psalm 19:4) HaShem is Israel's Redeemer. If no one is like Moses, Who then is the Messiah Who provides Redemption?

Exodus 32

32 But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.”

Moses offered himself up for the redemption of Israel. But Moses was not the Messiah, thus:

33 The LORD replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book.

HaShem rejected Moses’s offer to redeem Israel on his merit, and thus was proven to not be the Messiah, the Redeemer of Israel, because Moses was not righteous enough – even though Moses, on his own righteousness, spoke with HaShem face to face – a relationship with HaShem unlike anyone else! Yet he was rejected as the Redeemer of Israel! This standard then also eliminates anyone who is not like Moses, such as Isaac, though he was offered, was instead the one in place of the one “seen” – HaShem. This also eliminates King David, Abraham, and Jacob, who all also offered themselves up to redeem Israel on the merit of their own righteousness, and who too were rejected as the Messiah, falling short, seeing as how they too were not like Moses – whose own righteousness was also not enough to effect redemption and thus forgiveness for those who sinned and whose names will be blotted out of G-d’s book, either!

My question: if it is written “no one like Moses,” (Deut 34:10) then who is it then that will be a “prophet like you from among your brothers” (Deut 18:18) who HaShem will raise up for us, and who we must listen to?

Who then is more righteous than Moses? Only One who is perfect.

Who is Israel’s Redeemer, Who is the Messiah, Who is like Moses, but instead of rejecting him, G-d accepts as the Redeemer of Israel? If no one is like Moses, Who is it then whose merit, whose righteousness exceeds that of Moses and thus can redeem Israel? Whose death can make atonement and redemption for Israel and thus effect forgiveness so that that one may not be blotted out of G-d’s book? Only One Who is perfect!

Who then is Israel’s Messiah, Savior, King, Who also is Israel’s Redeemer, One like Moses, and is even the only One who dies the death of the righteous and makes atonement and redemption for all Israel so that they are not blotted out because of their sin? Who is it whose righteousness exceeds that of Moses, who is thus perfect, whose righteousness exceeds that of Moses that G-d accepts as the Redeemer of Israel? HaShem!

As it is written, “HaShem my Rock and my Redeemer.” (Psalm 19:4)

HaShem is Israel’s Redeemer.

]]> By: Israel Betzalel http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/apologetics/messiah-come-twice/#comment-236 Israel Betzalel Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:41:48 +0000 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/?p=256#comment-236 Messiah is King and Priest, just like Moses. Moses served as the function of a king of Israel, and as a priest teaching the Torah. So then, if the Messiah is like Moses, then Messiah too will function like a king of Israel, and as a priest teaching Torah. Messiah is King and Priest, just like Moses. Moses served as the function of a king of Israel, and as a priest teaching the Torah. So then, if the Messiah is like Moses, then Messiah too will function like a king of Israel, and as a priest teaching Torah.

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